The YAK-"Forger" and AMTRAC

[near_blind_sniper]

I was reReading the tom Clancy's novel The hunt for red october. and was reading a pertucularly funny section about a Soviet YAK-38 "Forger" trying to sneek up on an American E-3 Sentry. Then it hit me, why doesnt ONE of these countries have one. to those who don't know the YAK-38 is one of the 3 VSTOL fighters in the world. ( Vertical Short Take-Off and Landing) the three being
1. F-35B JSF (joint strike fighter) being tested by the US and UK
2. AV-8A/B Harrier, used by the US and UK
3. the YAK-38 "Forger"/"Forger B" used by the USSR/ Republic of Russia.

The Forger is a basically russian harrier copy, it was made to serve on the only Russian aircraft carrier, the Kiev, which is bassically a US Amphibious assualt carrier with out the amphibious assualt. The "Forger" could carry a variaty of bombs and upto 4 AA-8 "Aphid" ATA missles. I Know the Iraqis didn't have any, but it would be a good balance to the AV-8B Harrier, and i'm not sure that they had "Gazzelles either, Who knows how this stuff gets around black Market. Next on my list of stuff i'd like to see, is the US AMTRAC, (Amphibious Tractor). It has been used in invasions from WWII, to present in progressing forms. I'm tired of having to use these freaking RHIBs to get ship to shore, they are to litely armored. The amtrac, along with the LCAT, (Marine hover craft) are used to secure and resupply beach heads. the AMTRAC is heavily armored an can carry a platoon of soliders over land and water, it luanches from a us Amphib assualt carrier. It is armed with a 50. cal Machine guns and 40mm, grenade luancher for protection.

Iknow this wouldn't be implemented in the first version, if at all, but it's food for thought.

[Nikko]

These are suggestions that we can truly consider. Especially the AMTRAC. Thanks for the insight. I never even knew Russia had built a V/STOL before now, and I am definitely what you'd consider a modern air-combat buff.

[near_blind_sniper]

Yeah, know what you mean, i'm a fan of just about anything that goes fast or goes Boom. and yeah, A soviet V/STOL really exists. i found it in my 1996 addition of JANES military/ civilian aircraft, and again in this small book of soviet fighters i read. Those ruskies had some wierd crap, like the 100 megaton hydrogen bomb, the biggest to date. Almost as stupid as the Davry Crocket, a Nuclear tipped hand held rocket we developed in the 50s. :smoke:





And no, i am not Sh*ting you 8-)

[|AXiN|]

The Soviets also made a follow-on development to the Yak-38: the Yak-141, which until the debut of the F-35 held every V/STOL record in the world. It also pioneered the mid-fuselage auxiliary engine+rear rotating thrust engine design used in the F-35. IIRC there were only a couple of prototypes made before the USSR collapsed and funding went away. No stealthiness, afaik, but a very capable V/STOL craft.

[near_blind_sniper]

To give y'all an idea on what this thing is, i found some pics presenting, *Drum roll* THE YAKelov-38 Forger
http://prototypes.free.fr/yak36/yak38/yak38_16.jpg
Man, you wouldn't beleive how many Ruskie sights i've found on this thing.

And found some on YAK-141
http://www.aviation.ru/Yak/141/Yak-141_1.jpg
That is one nice looking bird, never knew it existed, thanks for the info.Bravo! it apparently had a 30mm cannon and five hard points.

[Family Value Pack]

Almost as stupid as the Davry Crocket, a Nuclear tipped hand held rocket we developed in the 50s. :smoke:


That thing didnt have enough maximum range to get the projectile far enough away so the crew wasnt in the blast radius.
:shock:

[Silversound]

Though we have had heated disscussions on adding non-DC.7 vehicles to our mod, I think folks might be supprised at what we have laying around in the back room waiting to be added. But again...... that is a long way off, and we need to get more of the awsome DC.7 models and skinns we have finished into the game. At this point we have several in game, but there is a vast library of models waiting untill we get a proper bundle meshing crew together.

So if you want to get this kinda stuff in DCon, tell your modding friends to give us a holler, and we will get this bad boy out sooner than later..... oh and a non-beta SDK would help too.

[The Rock]

Though we have had heated disscussions on adding non-DC.7 vehicles to our mod, I think folks might be supprised at what we have laying around in the back room waiting to be added. But again...... that is a long way off, and we need to get more of the awsome DC.7 models and skinns we have finished into the game.


not going to be adding any of the(few) models DCF introduced?

[Mutabor]

I was reReading the tom Clancy's novel The hunt for red october.

Tom Clancy is a horrible source for military tech. ;)

The Forger is a basically russian harrier copy...

Actually, it's the Harrier that was an american copy of the Russian Yak-38 Forger, that is if we are determined to state who copied from whom (which is bad, imo). AV-8B first prototype flew in 1981, while Yak-38 first prototype flew in 1971. Yak-38 was also based on an early Yak-36 Freehand VTOL aircraft, whose prototype first flew in 1966. :p

AV-8B was also largely based on early British experiments in 1960s with VTOL aircraft, which in turn were based on early French engine designs.

[near_blind_sniper]

Lol, i didnt mean a direct copy, actually this thread is so old i dont remember what i ment by that. lmao.

[[QBS]MarbleOne]

Nuclear warhead tipped RPG's please......


Thanks, The QBS.

XXX

[near_blind_sniper]

um WTF? what does taht have to do with a russian jumpjet or an amphibious tank?

[_DOA_C-SQUARED]

Almost as stupid as the Davry Crocket, a Nuclear tipped hand held rocket we developed in the 50s...

[near_blind_sniper]

aaaaaaah, lol. i'd rather not. i can just see the tks with that

[Mutabor]

Lol, i didnt mean a direct copy, actually this thread is so old i dont remember what i ment by that. lmao.

You probably meant counterpart, heh. But to tell you the truth, the original "look" sort of belongs to the British with their Hawker P.1127, which first flew (barely) in 1961 (but never continued the development). Here's what the Hawker looked like:

http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/airshow03/riat/partfour/p1127.jpg

Although Yak-36 Freehand didn't look exactly like the "Hawker", it did make its own VTOL flight in 1966 independantly. And the development, which began even earlier, was independant from the French engine designs also.

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~kasatosi/images/Yak-36-3.JPG

Hmm, actually the general "fat to skinny" shape does look a little like Forger, Hawker and Harrier. So, I guess form follows function applies here too.